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Kiun k ablution per hamarai kuch discussion chal rahi thi lakin kiun k woh topic uss k liye nahi tha iss liye majboorun humein unn per baat rokni pari,mein ne aap se request ki thi k aap agar chahein to new topic start ker lein ta k hamaray ilm mein izafa ho lakin mujhay nahi maloom kin wajoohat ki bina per aap ne topic start na kiya...

Kher mein woh ikhtelafat yahan per quote ker deta hoon ta k topic start ho sakay...

Aap ne etiraz kiya tha k shia aqeeda k mutabiq Hazrat Ali a.s Khana Kaaba mein paida huay aur unhon ne sajda kiya,to kiun k Khana Kaaba mein buat thay to unhon ne woh sajda buaton ko kiya tha...

Mera jawab yeh tha k pehli baat to yeh hai k buat Khana Kaaba mein nahi thay balkeh chat ya aas paas thay jis ko aap ne maananay se inkar ker diya.

Dosra jawab mera yeh tha k agar iss baat ko hum samnay rakhein to Rasool Allah saww ne umrah adaa kiya buaton ko tornay se pehlay to woh kiya unhon ne tawaaf buaton ka kiya tha aap k asool k mutabiq.

Lakin aap ne iss baat ka inkar kiya k Rasool Allah saww ne koi umrah nahi kiya tha jab buat Khaana Kaaba mein mojood thay...Aur aap ne dawa kiya k mein yeh baat sabit karon...

Agar iss k ilawa koi aisi baat jo mein yahan quote na ker saka to pls aap yahan add ker dijiye ga...

Mufti

Batman1

Umeed hai ab aap yeh nahi kahein ge k Hudaibiya ka waqiya fatah e makkah k baad hua tha :P

Uss k baad aap ne fermaya k Khaana Kaaba k ander 360 buat thay jab k mein ne aap ko bataya tha k Khaana Kaaba mein buat nahi thay balkeh uss k bahir buat thay lakin aap ne uss ka inkar kiya.

http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/mufti-e-azam/?action=view¤t=MasnadAhmedIbneHambal2510.jpg

Ab mein aap ko iss ka ref. bhi deta hoon k jin 360 buaton ki aap baat ker rahay thay woh Khana Kaaba k ander nahi balkeh aas paas thay...

Umeed hai aap achi terha iss ref. ko dekhein ge aur apni tarikh ki jo kamzorian hain woh theek karein ge.

Batman1

Mein ne socha k shayed aap Masnad imam humbal per itna yaqeen na kertay hon to aap ki most authentic hadith book se bhi aap ko ref. de doon.

http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/mufti-e-azam/?action=view¤t=SahihBukhari3of8_0600.jpg

Sahih bukhari mein bhi yeh likha hai k Khana Kaaba k charon teraf 360 buat mojood thay na k Khana Kaaba k ander mojood thay.

Umeed hai ab aap bin choon charan k apni ghalti maan lein ge...

aur yahan per mein yeh bhi bata doon k kam se kam 6 saal to Rasool Allah saww ne uss Khana Kaaba ki teraf moun ker k namaz bhi perhi aur sajday bhi kiye,ab aap bataein k Rasool Allah saww ne buaton ko kiun sajda kiya ??

Ab ball aap ki court mein hai umeed kerta hoon k kam se kam iss topic per zaroor jawab dein ge jaan nahi churain ge ya maan lein ge k aap iss masla per ghalat thay :P

Batman

Mufti

Umeed hai ab aap yeh nahi kahein ge k Hudaibiya ka waqiya fatah e makkah k baad hua tha :P

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link men kia hy????

Hudaybiay k makaam pr yeh sulah nama hua kiun tha ?? kabhi parha hy?? Rasool Allah SAW or sahaba karam Madinay sy Mkaah umray ki niat sy aaye thy magar mushrikeen ny unhy Kabaa men janay ki ijazat hi nahi dhi thi.. or hudaybia k makaam pr janwar zibah kr k baal katwa k ahraam khol dia tha or wapis madinay aa gaye thy.. isi liay is umray ka name Umrah al hudabiya par gya..

Mufti

Uss k baad aap ne fermaya k Khaana Kaaba k ander 360 buat thay jab k mein ne aap ko bataya tha k Khaana Kaaba mein buat nahi thay balkeh uss k bahir buat thay lakin aap ne uss ka inkar kiya.

http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/mufti-e-azam/?action=view¤t=MasnadAhmedIbneHambal2510.jpg

Ab mein aap ko iss ka ref. bhi deta hoon k jin 360 buaton ki aap baat ker rahay thay woh Khana Kaaba k ander nahi balkeh aas paas thay...

Umeed hai aap achi terha iss ref. ko dekhein ge aur apni tarikh ki jo kamzorian hain woh theek karein ge.

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Hahahahaha bari juldi mokaf badal liay.. apni purani post check krna zara us men to aap keh rahy thy k butt Kaaba k chat pr thy .. ab aapko woh butt aas paas nazar aa rahy hen.. yeh kia maamla hy??

Masnad ahmad ka jo hawala dia hy us men woh hadees Bukhari sy li gaye hy to yeh same hi hadees hy ..

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Mein ne socha k shayed aap Masnad imam humbal per itna yaqeen na kertay hon to aap ki most authentic hadith book se bhi aap ko ref. de doon.

http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/mufti-e-azam/?action=view¤t=SahihBukhari3of8_0600.jpg

Sahih bukhari mein bhi yeh likha hai k Khana Kaaba k charon teraf 360 buat mojood thay na k Khana Kaaba k ander mojood thay.

Umeed hai ab aap bin choon charan k apni ghalti maan lein ge...

aur yahan per mein yeh bhi bata doon k kam se kam 6 saal to Rasool Allah saww ne uss Khana Kaaba ki teraf moun ker k namaz bhi perhi aur sajday bhi kiye,ab aap bataein k Rasool Allah saww ne buaton ko kiun sajda kiya ??

Ab ball aap ki court mein hai umeed kerta hoon k kam se kam iss topic per zaroor jawab dein ge jaan nahi churain ge ya maan lein ge k aap iss masla per ghalat thay :P

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bukhari sy jo hadees li gaye hy jiska aapny link bhi dia hy yeh muktasir hadees hy... butt Kaaba k andar hi thy or unko bahir nikal kr Rasool Allah saw andar tashreef ly gay thy us sy pahly andar janay sy inkaar kr dia tha... yeh len bukahir ki us hadees ka hawala jis men yeh wakia pura hy or Ankhen khol kr parh len .. koshish achi thi. dubara try kren :P

http://picturepush.com/public/7875666

RAsool Allah saw jub tak Makkah men rahy kaaba ko sajfa nahi kra kiun k us time Qibla Kaaba nahi tha balky baitul maqdas tha ... madinay men kuch arsay tak bhi yeh hiamal raha baad men kaaba ki taraf mun kia.. or yeh to men pahly hi keh chuka hun k ksi insaan ki aar ley kr sajda krna jesy jamaat men aagay saf hoti hy to bazahir unky aagay sajda hota hy... ya ksi devaar k samny sajda krna jesy ghar men ya MAsjid men namaaz parhen to samny koi divar ho to usay sajda krnay ka issue hi nai tha ... kabbaa ko bhi sajda kr ly koi to buton konahi hoga uski aar men diwaar aa jaey gi :P

Batman1

Aap k munazara k kuch asool bhi hain ya udham hi machana hota hai ??

Mein ne ahl sunnah ki books se apni baat ko sabit kiya aur aap bhi ahl sunnah ki books se apni baat ko sabit ker rahay hain yeh kon sa asool hai ??

sahih bukhari meray liye hujjat nahi hai balkeh aap k liye hai...

Ab aap ko shia books se apni baat sabit kerni ho gi na k apni hi books se...

Aap samajh gaye na munazara ka asool ??

Dosri baat aap ne umrah ka zikr hi nahi kiya...

Kiya aap yeh kehna chahtay hain k Rasool Allah saww ne umrah mein koi namaz hi nahi perhi thi ??

Chalo meray bhai inn bachgana baaton se tum kahin bhaag to saktay nahi ho,aadhi baat ker k aadhi choarnay ko mein kiya kahon ??

Topic se bhagna ya kam-ilmi ??