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Mind Hunte Group: Members  Joined: 09th Oct, 2011  Topic: 4  Post: 34  Age:  28  
Posted on:27th Feb 2012, 6:36am
 

Talaq

Dear members Asalam-o-Alykum.

Can you please answer the question with some reference k ager koi shaks wife ko 3 talaq likh daita hai.. wife ko papers b bhaijta hai n wo receive karny se inkari hai.. n kehti hai k talaq nai ho gi jub tak main receive na karo.. n main apky sath rehna chati hon saht nai tu apky naam se mansoob rehna chati hon. sullah kar lain etc.. jub k pehly wo khud bazid thi k sath nai rehna. is bary main kia hukam ho ga.. kia talaq o gai k nai?
goodman Group: Members  Joined: 11th Oct, 2007  Topic: 59  Post: 6910  Age:  31  
Posted on:27th Feb 2012, 2:24pm
 

talaq

talaq ka iqrar jab ap nay words may bol ker diya ..aur aurat kay 3 mensis ghuzar janay kay bad talaq valid ho jati ha
myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 107  Post: 5673  Age:  53  
Posted on:27th Feb 2012, 11:51pm
 

talaq

1. talaaq k baray maiN ahlay sunnat wal jamaa'at aur fiqah jafaryah maiN shadeed ikhtelafaat haiN agar apka talluq fiqah jafaryah say hai to diplomate /mufti bhai ki replies ka wait kijyeh

2. ahlay sunnat wal jamaa'at maiN bhi 3 talaaq denay par 2 araa hain... fiqah hanfi ka kahna hai k agar aik saath 3 talaaq zobaani yaa likh kar de di jaa.ay to 3 talaaq valid hojati hai......... jabkay ahlay hadees aur deger foqahaa ka kahna hai k aik baar, aik hi nashisht maiN 3 talaaq say 1 hi talaaq valid hoti hai

3. agar ap fiqah hanfi ko strictly follow nahi kartay aur doosray foqahaa ki roy ko bhi barhaq maantay haiN to:

a) above case main 3 talaaq dene say aik talaaq hogayee (aurat ka receive karna yaa sonna zaroori nahi hai. ab in future husband k pass 2 talaaq ka haq baqi rah jayega, agar donouN aik saath rahna chaahaiN to

b) within iddat period i.e. almost 3 month, without new nikaah, husband biwi say rajoo kar sakta hai...rajoo karne say donouN miyaaN biwi hi rahengay

c) even after 3 month iddat period, woh donoun dobarah apas maiN nikah kar saktay haiN, with new mahar






myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 107  Post: 5673  Age:  53  
Posted on:27th Feb 2012, 11:58pm
 

goodman bhai

good man:

1. talaq dene say talaaq fauran valid hojati hai, 3 months k baad valid nahi hoti

2. 3 maheenay/menses ka iddat period woh WAQFAH hai, jissay guzaaray beghair mutleqah kissi doosray mard say nikaah nahi kar sakti

3. talaq ka sharayee tareeqah yeh hai k husband biwi k menses say paak hone k baad ... aur iss paaki period maiN oss say intercoursekiyeh beghair biwi ko talaaq di jaa.ay

4. talaaq milne k baad bhi biwi apna iddat period husband k ghar hi guzaregi, nah woh khud ghar choRegi nah husband ghar say nikaalega aur iss dauran biwi /mutleqah banaa'o singhar karkay husband k saamnay bhi aayegi... takay agar husband apnay faislah talaaq par pachtaa.ay to oss say zobani ya amali rajoo kar sakay

5. 3 menses (without any intercourse) ka iddat period guzaarne k baad mutleqah apnay husband k ghar say jodaa hogi (agar tab tak husband nay oss say rajoo nahi kia ho to)

6. iddat period guzaarne k baad separate honay k bawajood woh donouN bahmi razamandi say re-nikaah with new mahar karsaktay haiN, agar chaahaiN to.

7. yeh sab nikaah ka qurani method hai.....lekin agar koi (husband yaa biwi) iss method ko folow nah karay tab bhi talaaq dene say talaaq valid hojati hai. during menses talaaq di jaa.ay yaa halatay tohar /paaki maiN intercourse karne k bawajood talaaq di jaa.ay, hamal maiN talaaq di jaa.ay, 1 talaaq k baad biwi iddat period husband k ghar nah guzaaray etc etc (yeh sab qurani ahkamaat ki khelaaf warzi hai, jiska gonaah bhi hoga), lekin iske bawajood talaaq fauran valid hojati hai, jabi bhi di jaa.ay, khaah biwi receuive karay nah karay, sonay nah sonay
Mind Hunte Group: Members  Joined: 09th Oct, 2011  Topic: 4  Post: 34  Age:  28  
Posted on:28th Feb 2012, 1:44am
 

Thank you

myrizvi sb... ye prob mere sath nai ho mere aik dost k sath hai.. Fiqa Hunfi se taluk hai uska.. ab prob ye k wo yahan UAE main rehta hai.sullah karny ki tamam koshishon k bawajood wife bazid thi k nai rehna sath ever dono k parents ki involvement k bawajood mamla hal na howa n she left the house with her parents k muje yahan nai rehna n then mere dost ne though wakeel divorce k paper send kiy. ab wakeel ketha hai k kuch nai ho sakta.3 months se ziada o gia hai... per ab wife insist kar rai hai k ho sakta hai sub.. even mere frnds k parents ne us ki ab aik aur jaga shadi b ty kar di hai.. which is after around 3 months.. ab same masly pe aik Jamiya Masjid k Imam sb se ruju kia wo b yehi kehty hain k ho gai talak... per wife bazid hai k nai hoi... wo court jay gi etc.. ab is surat main kia karna chaye?
myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 107  Post: 5673  Age:  53  
Posted on:28th Feb 2012, 5:50am
 

mind hunte

1. lagta hai k apnay meri reply ko ghuar say nahi paRha...ismaiN apkay tamam sawaloun ka jawab maujodd hai

2. apkay dost ki biwi az khood to shauher k pass wapis nahi jasakti... 3 month guzarne k baad rajoo nahi hosakta (agar 3 talaaq ko 1 talaaq maan lia jaa.ay to)

3. ab agar apka dost chaahay to apni saabeqah biwi say new mahar k ewaz new nikaah karsakta hai... sirf biwi k chaahnay say kuch nahi hoga, chaahay woh court jaa.ay yaa kaheeN aur

4. fiqah hanfi k motaabiq to aik saath teen talaaq dene say 3 talaaq hojati hai aur ab oss biwi say dobarah nikaah nahi hosakta... magar ahlay hadees k motaabiq 3 aik saath 3 talaaq say 1 hi talaaq hoti hai...lehaza ab dobarah nikaah hosakta hai...agar apka dost chaahay to re-nikah with new mahar kar sakta hai. nah chaahay to nah karay.
Mufti Group: Members  Joined: 10th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 638  Age:  38  
Posted on:17th Mar 2012, 3:49am
 

myrizvi

Bhai Allah ne Quran mein talaq k liye poori aik surah nazil ki hai lakin phir bhi mujhay samajh nahi aati k ikhtelaf kiun hai ??

Jahan tak baat hai aik nashist mein 3 talaq denay ka to yeh aik bidat hai...

Ahl sunnah ki muattabar hadith books mein likha hai k Rasool Allah saww k zamana mein aur hazrat abu bakar aur hazrat umar k awal zamana mein 1 nashist mein 3 talaq ko 1 talaq samjha jata tha magar hazrat umar ne phir aik nashist mein 3 talaq ko 3 ka hukam jari kiya...

Iss k ilawa aik aur hadith bhi hai Rasool Allah saww k zamana mein aisa aik waqiya hua to aap bohat sakht ghussa mein aaye aur aisay amal se manah fermaya lakin mujhay nahi maloom k fiqah hanafi inn hadithon ko kiun nhi manti...

Ya to fiqah hanafi keh dein k woh Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat ko nahi mantay balkeh hazrat umar ki sunnat ko mantay hain to phir to baat samajh mein aati hai...jab Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat ka dawa bhi kertay hain to phir uss per hazrat umar ki baat ko tarjeeh kiun detay hain ??

myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 107  Post: 5673  Age:  53  
Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 4:59am
 

fiqah hanafi yaa fiqah jaafer

yaa koi aur fiqah ... jab fiqah ki baat hogi to its understood k kissi aik fiqahy k mannay walouN nay quran o hadees say jo kuch derive kia ha, woh doosri fiqah say alaghogaa ... agar aisaa nah hota to yeh fiqh hi wajood maiN nah aatay aur ham saray k saray "muslim' hotay, koi shia, hanfi, sunni, etc nah hota
Mufti Group: Members  Joined: 10th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 638  Age:  38  
Posted on:18th Mar 2012, 6:24am
 

myrizvi

Aap ki baat theek hai lakin mera sawal yeh hai k aakhir kis base per fiqah hanafi ne yeh aqeeda bunaya k aap aik nashist mein 3 talaq de saktay hain jab k hadith o tarikh se yeh baat wazeh hai k yeh tareeka Rasool Allah saww,hazrat abu bakar aur hazrat umar k ibtadai zamana mein nahi tha magar phir hazrat umar ne iss ko raij ker diya...

Kiya fiqah hanafi hazrat umar ki sunnat ko mantay hain jo unhon ne Rasool Allah saww ki sunnat ko choar ker unn ki baat ko apnaya ??

myrizvi Group: Members  Joined: 20th Apr, 2008  Topic: 107  Post: 5673  Age:  53  
Posted on:19th Mar 2012, 12:25am
 

Mufti

Aap ki baat theek hai lakin ...

mera jawaab yeh hai k "issi ikhtelaaf" ka naam "fiqah" hai. har fiqah, doosray fiqah say alag aur mokhtalif hai.

agar koi kissi aik fiqh k follower hai to woh amooman aanklh band karkay ossi par amal kartay haiN.

lekin agar koi fard khud iss qaabil ho kay "apnay maslak ki kissi fiqahi baat" ko quran o sunnat say motasaadam dekhay tab oss par farz hai k woh apnay fiqh ki jagah quran o sunnat ki baat ko follow karay... imam abu hanifa samait chaarouN imamouN nay yeh saaf saaf likha hai k agar kissi ko meri fiqh maiN koi baat quran o sunnat k khilaaf nazar aa.ay to woh meri roy ko chor kar quran o sunnat par amal karay..

lekin kissi ko 'apnay maslak ki fiqh' mai koi baat khilaafay islam nazar to aa.ay.... yahaaN to sab ko "doosray maslak ki fiqh" maiN khilaafay islam bataiN nazar aati haiN lol
Mufti Group: Members  Joined: 10th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 638  Age:  38  
Posted on:19th Mar 2012, 1:02am
 

myrizvi

rizvi bhai yaqeen karein k agar koi aur yeh post kerta to mujhay bilkul bhi hairat na hoti lakin aap ne post ki to mujhay waqai mein hairat hui...

Hamara ikhtelaf apni jagah lakin mein itna iqrar zaroor karoon ga k iss forum per chand aisay members hain jin k paas ilm k sath shaoor bhi hai...

Kiun k mera maanana yeh hai k ilm aur shaoor 2 alag cheezein hain aur inn dono ka aik jagah per ikhatha hona thora mushkil hota hai...

Issi terha wehshi sahab hain unn k paas shayed deeni ilm ki kami ho gi lakin shaoor kafi hai unn k paas...

Issi wajah se jab aap ki post perhi to hairat hui kiun k aap yeh to jantay hi hain k iss masla per aik hi sahi ho sakta hai ya mein yeni fiqah jaffariya,ahl hadith etc.. ya fiqah hanafi yeni aap...

Jab aik sahi ho ga to zahiri se baat hai dosra ghalat ho ga...

Farz karein hum iss masla per ghalat hain to phir bhi humein itna nuqsaan nahi ho ga kiun k shariat iss terha talaq ki bhi ijazat deti hai k her iddat k baad talaq di jaye...

Lakin agar aap ghalat huay to bhai masla bun jata hai kiun k agar talaq e bain agar jaiz nahi hai to phir to woh khatoon shohar-daar ho gi aur aik shohar-daar se koi insan nikah per nikah ker leta hai...

To yeh kitna zulm ho ga,umeed hai aap meri baat samajh rahay hon ge...

Dosri baat rizvi bhai baat aisi hai k aap bhi jantay hain aur mein bhi janta hoon k hum mein se aik sahi hai aur aik ghalat hai phir hum kaisay blindly follow ker saktay hai uss fiqah ko ya uss masla ko jo ghalat hai ??

Iss se yehi sabit ho ga k aik masla woh hai jo Allah,Quran aur Rasool saww k mutabiq hai aur dosra unn k hukam k khilaf...phir hum kaisay jaan ker bhi unn k hukam ki khilaf werzi ker saktay hain,aap per bhi yeh farz hai aur mujh per bhi k hum iss masla ko samjhein aur jaanein k kon sa hukam islam k mutabiq hai aur kon sa ghair-islami ??

Hamaray aqeeda mein Mola Ali a.s ka ferman hai k jis aurat ko talaq e bain di gaye ho uss se rishta na karo kiun k woh shohar-daar hoti hai...

Ab aap dekh lein k agar talaq e bain hazrat umar ne hi start ki to phir to waqai fiaqh hanafi ki khuwateen shohar daar hoti hain aur unn k nikah per nikah kiya jata hai agar woh dosri shaadi kerti hain...phir hum iss zidd mein hi yeh zulm kertay rahein k nahi kiun k hamara fiqah ki aik shiq hai iss liye humein issay sahi samajhana ho ga...

Dosri baat rizvi bhai aur aap ko kis terha ghalat nazar aaye yeh masla ??

Aap ki muattabar hadith books mein yeh mojood hai k yeh amal na Rasool Allah saww k zamana mein hua aur na hi hazrat abu bakar aur hazrat umar k awail zamana mein...

Lakin hazrat umar ne talaq ki berhti hui sherah per yeh hukam jaari ker diya...

Aap ko khilaf e Islam nazar aata hai agar aap khud dekhna chahein...

TALESH Group: Members  Joined: 25th Oct, 2011  Topic: 5  Post: 90  Age:  32  
Posted on:10th Apr 2012, 8:03pm
 

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