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Vagina Sucking: Can I Do It?

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iffi Group: Members  Joined: 19th Dec, 2007  Topic: 2  Post: 3  Age:  33  
Posted on:19th Dec 2007, 6:23pm
 

Vagina Sucking: Can I Do It?

dr.sahab mujhay apni wife ki dakhool wali jaga ko suck kernay main bohat maza aata hai or main apnay hosh kho bethta hoon or meri biwi ko bhi ye style bohat pasand hai kia main is style ko continue ker sakta hoon?
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Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 1:16pm
 

iffi

What is Dakhool?
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Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 2:02pm
 

Oral Sex

This is oral sex vaginal sucking. You can do it but when you do this please ask your wife wash it then you lick or suck it.
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Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 2:16pm
 

Oral Sex

yaaaaakh. well i dont know is it allow in ISLAM but yar ghin ati hai aisa soch ka. Aisi jaga pa kitna jaraseem hotai hongai aur ap usko chat ka saf kardaitai hongai. I think avoid it.
Veer Group: Members  Joined: 12th Oct, 2011  Topic: 85  Post: 4718  Age:  30  
Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 2:29pm
 

My Reply

my Dear is not Allowed in islam...

nipaak jaga ko aap suck karna chahte hain pata nehin esa kyun hai lekin aap yaad rakhe jis jaga se nipaki ho os jaga ko hum pak nehin keh sakte aur nipak jaga ko phir suck kese kar sakte hain

beshak aap ki wife naha kar pak saaf ho lekin phir bhi it not allow

aap body ke aur parts suck kar sakte hain means..legs etc lekin os ke liye bhi zaroori hai ke jis pak ho aur es baat ka khayal aap ki wife ko rakhna ho ga.

pinky7861 Group: Members  Joined: 06th Oct, 2007  Topic: 44  Post: 1348  Age:   
Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 3:00pm
 

veer

jis baat ka pata na ho uss kay sath islam ko na joar dia kerain.  Pahlay hi pak main islam ka kafi baira garak ho chuka hay aap jaisay bayanat dainay waloun ki waja say.

Yah oral sex hay aur islam main directly iss kay baray main kuch nahi kaha gaya.  IJTIHAD kay baad ulima nay iss ko haram nahi kaha lakin makrooh kah hay, wo bhi iss condition kay sath kay gandgi chatnay say avoid kia jay.

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Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 3:04pm
 

Oral Sex: Article By Kali Zuban

Oral sex ke bare mai aksar logo ko confusion hai. is confusion ko door karne ke lia yeh article likhi gai hai

1.
kuch log Quran pak ka hawala de kar kahte hai keh tumhari bivi tumhari kheti ka matlab yeh hai keh oral sex bhi allow hai. jab keh haqeeqat mai aisa nahi hai. oral sex asal mai sex hi nahi hai. kio keh allah tala ne har kam ke lia alag alag organ banaya hai. mslan kan hearing ke lia, nose soonghne ke lia, urethra peeshab ke lia, mouth khana khane ke lia, anas stool pass karne ke lia aur vagina sex ke lia.

2. lehaza mouth se sex ka koi sawal hi paida nahi hota. jis tarah kan nak se understood hai keh is se sex nahi kar sakte isi tarah mouth se bhi sab ko samajh lena chahia keh is se sex nahi karna chahia.

3. chukeh vagina aur anus aik doosre ke qareeb hai isi lia anus ke lia wazeh tor par hidayat kar di gai keh vavina aur anus mai farq samjha jai. agar kan nak aur mouth bhi vagina ke qareeb hota tu shaid os ke bare mai bhi wazeh hidayat hoti (allah behtar janta hai)

4. oral sex fahashi phailane aur illegal sex karne walo ki ijad hai. chukeh vaginal sex se pregnancy ke chances bahut ziadah hai is lia illegal sex karne wale pregnancy se bachne ke lia oral sex karte hai.

5. aam shareef logo ko tu oral sex ke bare mai maloom hi nahi tha. aj bhi jo log oral sex ke bare mai jante hai woh bata sakte hai ke is ilm ka source blue film ya friend ke darmian hone wali fahash guftagoo hai.

6. aise hi logo ne na sirf porn movie aur fahash guftagoo se oral sex ka word seekha balkeh is forum par oral sex  ke bare mai sawal kar ke shareef member ko bhi yeh lafz sikhaya.

7. warna aj bhi aise shareef log mojood hai jinho ne aj tak lafz oral sex nahi suna hai.  yeh aur bat hai ke western culture se mutasir, girl/boys friend ke hami, porn movie ke shaidai, mahfil mai fahash goi karne wale meri bat se ittefaq nahi kare ge. aur kahe ge keh har shakh oral sex ke bare mai janta hai.

8. jabkeh yeh haqeeqat hai keh aise shareef log jo western culture, girl/boy friendship, porn movie aur fahash mahfil se na-ashna hai. woh oral sex ke lafz se bhi na-ashna hai.

9. ham intehai afsos ke sath kahte hai keh is forum par mojood bhi kuch logo ne oral sex ke mozoo ko shuru kar aise shareef member ki maloomat mai oral sex ka izafa kia hai jo keh pahle is lafz se ashna nahi the.

my articles

seriously Group: Members  Joined: 12th Dec, 2007  Topic: 24  Post: 313  Age:  56  
Posted on:20th Dec 2007, 4:08pm
 

My two cents.

It is not disallowed specifically anywhere. What you do in the privacy of your bedroom with your wife Allah has nothing to do with it. If Allah or his Prophet ( sallah hu alaihay wassalam) wanted to forbid it they would have done so .If someone gives a logic that these methods of foreplaywere not prevelant during those days therefore there was no need to prohibit such things. But this is weak logic human beings are exposed to and have tried all kinds of methods of getting sextual pleasure . The question of swallowing of wife's milk has been asked and answered in the early days of Islam. There are Ahades and you can find them on these forums according to which foreplay has been encouraged between husband and wife. No manner and method of foreplay has been specified or forbidden. When the method and manner of having sex with your wife has been specified in Quran.

As long as you are comfortable and your wife and you enjoy it then there is no problem but the moment one of you dislikes it then it should be stopped and one or the other should not be pressured to engage in this practice. As for the question of paki and na paki is concerned none of the human body part is najis or napak if it was napak then you could not pray namaz in the clothes you are wearing because these private parts are always touching your clothes and you are allowed to pray namaz in those clothes. The excretions out of these private parts are napak and najis and you are ordered to wash those clothes one these najis excretions touch your clothes in a quantity that you could clearly see them.

Wallah Alim bil sawab. Allah knows the best.

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Posted on:21st Dec 2007, 1:41am
 

re pinky

i am agree to kali zuban

meri nazar mein yeh ghuna hai baat apne apne mind ki hai

kali zuban ne kaha ke har cheez kisi na kisi kaam k liye banaya hai aankh dekhne ke liye kan soney ke liye etc......ab mouth khana khne k liye hai na ke suchking karne k liye..

kuch cheezo ko humhe khud feel karna chahein ke kya yeh galat hai ya sehi jab aap ko os cheez ka pata chal jaye ga ke yeh sehi nehin to woh aap nehin kare ge lekin humhe jis cheez ka pata na ho os se hum karne se pehle darte tak nehin

rehi baat islam ki islam mein bhut choti choti cheezey hain jin ka humhe pata bhi nehin aur hum roz koi na koi gunha karte hain to pinky aap mujse bari ho married ho aap samujdaar bhi ho gi lekin aap es ko sehi kese kehti hain zara bataein gi?

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Posted on:21st Dec 2007, 6:09am
 

LETS THINK ABOUT IT....

SALLAM TO ALL FRIENDS

Insaan kai jisam main har aik hisa kisi na kisi kaam kai liyai use hota hai.Aur agar yai insaan usai ghalat jaga istimaal karai to yai ALLAH ki is di hoyee amanat main kiyanat hai.Maira matlab saaf hai kai penis kai liyai khuda nai vagina banayee hai.

To isai sirf aur sirf wahi istimaal karna chahiyai jis ka hukam hoo ALLAH ki taraf sai.Aur agar bagair kuch janai bagair kuch kiyai aik insaan isai apni marzi sai karta hai to yai teeq nahin.Q kai agar ISLAM nai kisi jaga khamosihi ikhtiyaar ki hai to hamain bi usai choor daina chahiyai.

Hamara jisam ALLAH ki amanat hai aur isai ALLAH ki rah main hi istimaal karna chahiyai.Dar asal yai sab kuch karna acha nahin hai.Q kai aisa karnai sai HAIWAAN aur INSAAN main faraq nahin hota.

So we must avoid such bad habbit.After all we are humans.Just think which is wrong and which is correct.ALLAH knows what is there in ur heart.......

NOTE:-sorry if my words hurt anyone.

TAKE CARE

ALLAH HAFIZ

pinky7861 Group: Members  Joined: 06th Oct, 2007  Topic: 44  Post: 1348  Age:   
Posted on:21st Dec 2007, 10:53pm
 

veer

       Mujay zera tafseel say batana kay ISLAM main kis jaga likha hay kay yah GUNAH HAY???????  Mujay yah lecture dainay ki zaroorat nahi hay kay hamain hood apni aqal istimal kerni chahya.  App nay aik baat jo beray aaram say Islam say joar di hay bagair kisi saboot kay uss ko zera tafseel say batain plz.

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Posted on:21st Dec 2007, 11:01pm
 

Kali zuban

    Kamal hay aap kay ILM ka mayar itna buland hay kay,, sari dunya kay wo AlLIM jinhoun nay apni sari zindgi quran aur hadith ko samajnay main guzari aur phir oral sex kay baray main baat kernay ki juraat ki,, aap nay sab ko itnay aaram say jhutla ker apna fatwa jari ker dia hay.  

         Wonderful!!!!!!!

Mnadeem Group: Members  Joined: 01st Sep, 2007  Topic: 2  Post: 231  Age:   
Posted on:22nd Dec 2007, 12:18am
 

pinky

Please explain what is “MAKROOH”?

 

ISLAM has clear instructions for every “Right” and “Wrong”, No, or Yes. Nothing in between “No” and “Yes”. What Ulima says by the IJTIHAD is for an individual address. You can not generalize such thing, because IJTIHAD is an individual’s effort. In my opinion the word “MAKROOH” is wrongly drive from early ages of Urdu Islamic literature. This word by itself reflects aversion or disgust and puts a kind of negative impression on  the listener’s mind. If the MUJTAHID alim want to leave some thing on the will or wish of the questioner then why not such thing be present with a neutral word. The correct Urdu word is “ MARZI” means optional. If that “ALIM” or scholar feels “ karahiat “ for himself then it is not necessary that all others react in his way.

 

I want to give you an example of a “SAHIH HADIS” from the book, SAHIH BUKHARI.

 

Once MUHAMMAD (pbuh) were invited in a lunch or dinner from a remote tribe. They put a dish in front of MHAMMAD (pbuh). MUHAMMAD (pbuh) asked, what is this? One of the host replies that, this is the meat of “GOH” a kind of lizard. MUHAMMAD (pbuh) said, I don’t eat it. ( in some AHADIS it is written as “ I don’t like it “.

 

What do you think about meat of that lizard?

 

If you ever visited in Saudi Arabia or other Arab world you will find people eating that lizard. ( in Pakistan we are use to say that lizard SANDA a kind of fat lizard with thick flashy tail).

 

 

You also wrote “ wo bhi iss condition kay sath kay gandgi chatnay say avoid kia jay.” What is gndagi? If it is urine or stool then ok, but if this gandagi is pointing to love secretions then for your kind information in your’s wordings “islam main directly iss kay baray main kuch nahi kaha gaya.” Even not indirectly is mentioned about the male female love secretions as “NAPAK” or gandagi.

 

By the way is it logical that you are allowed to suck the tong of your beloved but no saliva should transfer either side? (However French kiss is not perform for saliva, but pleasure)

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Posted on:22nd Dec 2007, 9:34pm
 

Mnadeem

Explanation of Makrooh, Makruh:

 

1-Literally meaning is  something which one dislikes.

 2-Hadith literature it is generally used in the same implication.

3- As a term of Islamic FIQH it expresses something, which even though is not    prohibited by the SHARIA yet is not a desired act.

 

There are two types of MAKROOH:
1-makruh-e-tahrimi

2- makruh-e-tanzihi

     Makruh-e-tahrimi is that which has been established by a proof which is not absolute. The one who rejects it is regarded as a FAASIQ (open sinner). A person who does something that falls under this category without any valid reason will be committing a sin and will deserve punishment.  

Makruh-e-tanzihi: if u abstain from it, u will be get reward and if not will not get any punishment. An example is the use of a greater amount of water for the --

  So makrooh is a word with solid basis in hadith and sharia acoording to what I have read.  If u perceive the word in its right meaning it is not something which can create DIGUST, but it makes a muslim to become careful while taking care of silent issues in Islam. 

MARZI is totally different from what KARAHIYAT menas. 

For example, Kissing is OPTIONAL yani aap ki merzi hay kay jab, jahan MERZI ker saktay hain(ofcousre sirf apni bivi say)  Lakin wohi kisiing rozay ki halat main MAKROOH ho jati hay yani aap ko warning di gai hay kay app apni merzi say kissing tu ker saktay ho lakin ager na kero tu ziada bahter hay kayounkay iss say khatra hay kay app apni haad say baher nikal jau gay aur HARAAM ki hadood main dahel ho jau gay.

So basically, I think kay aisi batain jo halal hain lakin jin kay kernay main koi aisa khatra ho jis ki waja say wo HARAM main change ho janay ka hoaf paida ho jay tu iss soorat main MAKROOH ka lafz istimal kia jata hay.

Now,

Oral sex kay baray main ZIADA-TER  ulima ki ra-ay yahi hay kay yah makroo hay lakin yah HARAM ho jata hay ager aap MINI ko nigal lain tu.  Yahi baat main nay kahi hay.  Jisam ka koi hisa NAPAK nahi hota iss liay ORAL SEX basically haram nahi ho ga kayounkay jaisay munh ko chooma jata hay FRENCH KISSING main zuban ko suck kia ja sakta hay issi tara jism ka koi bhi hisa suck/touch kia ja sakta hay.  So clear houa kay Oral sex itself haram nahi hay.  Ab makrooh kayoun hay????

Wohi ooper wali explanation iss kay sath bhi joar lain.  Choonkay ziadater Ulima kay nazdeek MIMI haram hay kayounkay yah NAJIS hay iss liay Oral sex kay doran yah KHATRA baherhal rahay ga kay loag hadd cross ker kay HARAM KI HADOOD main na chalay jain iss liay iss ko makrooh kaha gaya hay.

SECRETIONS mini ya mazi kay ilawa kia ho sakti hay??? Aur Mini ya mizi kay baray main yahi kaha gaya hay kay un kay lagnay say kapra na-pak ho jata hay aur ussay dhona perta hay.   Jab kapra napak ho gaya tu munh kay baray main aap ka kia hayal hay??????????

And about french kissing, it is not only logical, it is also allowed in Islam.  Why?  because Slaiva is not NAJIS and u dont have to wash yrself after it touches something.  Clear enough???

josh Group: Members  Joined: 30th Jul, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 2296  Age:  36  
Posted on:23rd Dec 2007, 1:42am
 

To Pinky (Topic:Oral Sex)!

pinky jee mai phir aa gaya. i am sure kafi useful discussion ho gi idhar.

pinky jee meri apsay request hai k jo bi yahan post kia karain wo 1 ya 2 martaba usay khud parh lia  karain or baad mai post kia karain.
apnay first page par jo reply kia hai, usmai apnay kaha "pak main islam ka kafi baira garak ho chuka hay" ,,,  ye intehaee batameezi wala sentence hai jo apnay islam k baray mai likha hai. islam ko follow na karna ya islam ko sahi tara na samajhnay ka matlab ye nahi kay nauzbillah islam ko hi bura bhala kehna shuru kar dain....
josh mera nick name hai apka nahi hai. ap pinky hain or pinky hi rahain. Thanks
josh Group: Members  Joined: 30th Jul, 2007  Topic: 47  Post: 2296  Age:  36  
Posted on:23rd Dec 2007, 1:51am
 

Cont.

aik or baat, mera apko mukhlisana or baradrana mashwara hai k ap Allah say mafi mangain kyon k muje yehi lagta hai k unIntentionally apnay deen k mamlay mai gustakhi ki hai... baki apki marzi jo behtar lagay waisay hi karain. Allah ham sab ko gunah say bachnay ki taufeek ata farmaey or sab k gunah maaf farmaey aameen.
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Posted on:23rd Dec 2007, 2:23am
 

Pinky7861

Aap ye baat achi tarah samjh lain ke jo Islam Allah ke Akhri Nabi Pak (peace ne upon him ) le ke aai thay woh aaj bhi apni asli shakal main mojod hae bohat se fitnay paida howe kabhi qadiyaniat ki shakal main to kabhi shiat ki shakal main , kabhi inkar-e-hadith ki shakal main laikin in sab ne apna he berra gharaq kia Islam ka koi kuch nahi bigarr saka , is liye zara soch samjh ke bola karain...josh wahi acha hota hae jis main hosh na khoya jai 
Veer Group: Members  Joined: 12th Oct, 2011  Topic: 85  Post: 4718  Age:  30  
Posted on:23rd Dec 2007, 6:10am
 

re pinky7861

main ne abhi yeh post dubara check kiya es liye post nehin kiya abhi dekha to post kar raha hon sab se pehle main yeh kahon ga ke aap apne nick ke bare mein kehti hai ke meri beti ki chiks pink pink hai to main ne apna nick pink rakh diya aur 786 bismilallah aur 1 ka matlab Allah aak hai

to nick to aap ne acha banaya hai lekin aap apni soch bhi achi kare meri yahan aap se koi dushmani to nehin hai jo aap ne mujhe kaha

(Mujay yah lecture dainay ki zaroorat nahi )

to main yeh kahon ke ke main ne bhala aap ko kon sa lecture diya hai jis pe aap ko itna gusa aya

aap khud es baat pe agree hai aap ne kaha hamain kood apni aqal istimal kerni chahya.to aap apni iqal istimal kare islam mein kafi esi cheezey hain jin ko Allah na saaf saaf waiza nehin kiya os ke liye Nabion ko behja jis ko dekh kar hum loog on ke raaste par chale

yahan kafi logo ne achey achey member ne achey achey post kiye i think k mujhe ab koi baat nehin karni chahein aap ka jawab har member ke post mein mel jaye ga ...take care Allah hafiz

Mnadeem Group: Members  Joined: 01st Sep, 2007  Topic: 2  Post: 231  Age:   
Posted on:23rd Dec 2007, 11:49pm
 

pinky

Thank you very much for such detailed post in reply. The detail you provide in the explanation of MAKROOH is learn by heart to me since my childhood, due to born in a very strict religious family.

 

What I meant to ask this question was and is as you wrote first three lines with numbers:

1-      (one dislike)

2-      (same implication)

3-      (not prohibited & not a desired act.)

 

No. 3

All desired act of SHARIA is known to everyone, the questioner has only intention to know that, is it prohibited or not?

 

No. 1 & 2

My question is who is the one, the questioner or your Alim?

If it is Alim then why he is imposing his own dislikes to the questioner, he should say “prohibited” or “not prohibited”

 

If it is questioner then why is he asking for, he should stop doing that.

 

 

Makrooh-e-Tanzihi and Makrooh-e-Tahrimi is all perceiving and consensus of forth coming nations of Sahaba-E-Karam. This word do not found in Ahadis-e-Sahiha and Rivayat-e-Sahaba. And as you said that Makrooh-e-Tahrimi is come in the sin, so we must mention this with every Makrooh, not only Makrooh.

 

For your clearance I did not equalize the word “ MARZI” in replacement of “ karahiat”. I just said as neutral word.

 

I did not asked you that Oral sex is Haram or Hallal. You said “ZIADA-TER  ulima ki ra-ay yahi hay kay yah makroo hay”.

 

And I say, “big groups of Ulima do not consider it as Makrooh also”. Why don’t we mention both in our reply to any questioner for his own choice?

 

Which Ulima do not consider Oral Sex as Makrooh:

Big groups of Arabic scholars do not consider Mani and Mazi as NAPAK. Why? Because of Sahih Hadis related to AMMA AISH RADHIALLAH TALA ANHO in the book of Bukhari that, “when MUHAMMAD (pbuh) prepare for SALAT then AMMA AISH just scratch the Mani by her nail for cleaning(superficially)  from the clothes of MUHAMMAD (pbuh), and the sign of Mani was visible.” (Bukhari,Muslim)

 

Why we wash Mani and Mazi from clothes:

Is it mention or instructed that Mani or Mazi makes the clothes NAPAK. Or washing the clothes becomes necessary? Please show me a single instruction from SAHIH HADIS that Mani or Mazi should be immediately washed out from clothes. All instructions of washing Mazi is part of WAZOO before SALAT. Washing or cleaning the clothes from Mani or Mazi is comes in general cleaning as we clean every foreign body from our neat clothes just for maintaining the look and general cleaning of clothes. As any liquid or adhesive food staff we remove or wash from our clothes because it looks not decent to come with the stained clothes in public or anywhere.

 

You asked for it:

So if the clothes do not becomes NAPAK from Mani and Mazi then the same is for mouth and swallowing the cum!!!! This is my thought, clear enough??????

 

Now I have decided not to give you any simple example in explanation of my thought because, if one more opinion of yours I read on my example I must commit suicide.

 

Either you are so simple or I am very stupid:

Believe me I have no desire to know your opinion about French kiss! And the logic of French kiss, and permition in Islam, also I don’t want to know that saliva is NAGIS or NAPAK or What? I know about French kiss since your birth(infect), and not as French kiss but SUNNAH of MUHAMMAD (pbuh), and being a Muslim needless to say between husband and wife.

 

 

My poor explanation:

I gave you an example in the frame of subject, other wise explaining the scenario, I can say that How is it possible that you are allowed to lick the Ice Cream but with the condition that the test of sugar or Milk should not be transfer on the tong. So, my wondering was about the oral sex without receiving the impact of love secretions(canceled word for Mani & Mazi), as it is known to every body that love juices start to flow soon after the oral sex initiated, or some time even before the body contact. That’s why I gave the example of French kiss that how is it possible that you want to perform French kiss with the condition that saliva should not be come in your mouth. So, how your Mujtahid Ulimas put this condition with oral sex, do they want a peace of damp towel in the hand of oral sex performer or a spit bag for spitting every second of oral sex????? Now you got it?????

 

So the bottom-line is:

When ever you refer to MAKROOH please also mention that either it is Makrooh-e-Tahrimi or not!

pinky7861 Group: Members  Joined: 06th Oct, 2007  Topic: 44  Post: 1348  Age:   
Posted on:24th Dec 2007, 2:06am
 

re

    will u believe that when I finished writing, the first thing I felt was I always should mention about the makroo-e-tahrimi and makroo-e-tanzihi while tallking about makrooh.  so I think I am learning and it is good.  Thanks for yr explanation anyways.

 

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