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faisee |
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| Posted on:1st Aug 2007, 4:25pm |
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 Hymenoplasty,Ethics And Muslim Society
Dr My Reply, this post is in reply to ur post in :
- First I have not pointed out the member who asked this question. I talked generally regarding ethics of this hymnoplasty operation.
- Secondly I strongly disagree with you while you are comparing this hymen repairing operation with other infectuous diseases which cause extreme physical pain.
- Ok you can cure the infection of vagina if she got by illegal sex, if you are comapring it with sozak and atishik. but hymnoplasty cant be compared with that.
- har ilaaj ki ethics hotee hain. agar aap sai koi girlfriend kai saath time duration ka problem discuss karta hai tu aap nahin batatay because this is illegal. and islam doesnt allow it. aur is ka ilaaj na batanay sai mareez mar nahin jaye ga aur usay pain nahin ho ga kisi qism ka. isi liye aap nahin batatay, warna aap usay dantain, samjhaen laikin us ka jawab dain, baqi jo kuch marzi karai..right??.
- hymen repair na karwanay sai bhi mareez mar nahin jaye ga. aur yeh baat usay achi tarah pata hotee hai kai before doing sex kai sex karnay sai hymen phat jata hai aur bleeding bhi hotee hai. (shayed kuch ko na pata hota ho laikin Allah behter jannay wala hai, otherwise illegal sex per itnee sakht saza na rakhee jatee, islam deen e fitrat hai).
- agar aap islam ko bhi samnay rakhtay hain aur illegal sex ka ilaj bhi karna chahtay hain tu aap kia pehlay us larki ko 100 lashes lagwaen gai ilaj sai pehlay??? taky pehlay woh saza kai baad paak ho jaye phir ilaaj start ho???
- aur kia gurantee hai kai aik dafa hymnoplasty karwanay kai baad woh dubara illegal sex nahin karay gi. agar woh phir kartee hai tu kia aap us kai dil sai illegal sex ka khof nikal kar is illegal kaam main un ki help nahin kar rahay???
- jab tak hymnoplasty available nahin thee, mera khayal hai kai yeh khof aik buhut bari restriction tha illegal sex sai. ab jaisay jaisay time guzray ga yeh operation gali muhallon clinics main honay lagay ga, jaisay kai abortion hota hai. kia ham is baat ko open forums main discuss kar kai is ko promote nahin kar rahay.
- in my opinion, a solid and deep thinking (including islamic ijtihad) should be performed before practicing it and proper ethics should be established. otherwise positively socha jaye tu har larki virgin ho gi aur negatively socha jaye to har larki non virgin ho gi. ab yeh mat kehna kai shadi trust ka name hai.
- aap ki sab batain regarding cure of patient theek hain, but in this case, agar qudrat ko is kaam ki maafi hi manzoor thee tu phir itnee sakht saza kion rakhee jatee. islami huddod sai aap disagree kartay hain?
- is ka matlab tu yeh hua kai har illegal sex karnay wala baad main tuba karay, hymnoplasty karwaye aur pak saaf ho kar phir nikal jaye? jahan tak us ki apni zaat ki baat hai, woh tu theek hai, laikin us kai husband ka kia qusoor hai jis ko yeh bataya gaya ho kai she is virgin???
- it has become a long post but I m sorry if it hurts any of medical ethics and any one's feelings. mera maqsad nahin kai kisi ki zindagi barbad ho laikin hamain is issue per practice karnay sai pehlay sochna ho ga.
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| Posted on:1st Aug 2007, 10:05pm |
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re: faisee
1. bechara faisee pareshan ho gia keh hymen tu repair bhi ho sakta hai. chalo faisee ki khatir mai yeh operation nahi karooga (waise mai surgeon nahi hoo) lekin ketne doctor faisee ki khatir hymen repair ki surgery chor de ge.
2. jo doctor illegal abortion karate hui religion ka nahi sochte wo hymen repair karte waqt aisa kio sochne lage. sab jante hai keh illegal sex se hone wali pregnancy ka abortion pakistan ki galio aur chote chote maternity home par horahe hai. jis tarah illegal sex se pregnant hone wali tamam larkio ka abortion ho jata hai. isi tarah hymen repair ki khahishmand tamam larkio ka hymen bhi repair ho sakta hai.
3. hymen repair sirf ghareebon ka nahi hota hai. kio keh is ke charges aik ghareeb larki bardasht nahi kar sakti. lekin hymen repair pakistan mai bhi hota hai. aur ameer larkia hymen repair karwarahi hai. pakistan mai kia nahi horaha hai aur kia nahi ho sakta hai. news ati hai tu pata chalta hai keh ketne logo ka kidney illegal transplant ho gia. jab kidney transplant ho sakta hai tu hymen repair tu aik mamooli bat hai. hymen repair ki news nahi ati aur na kabhi aye gi.
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faisee |
Group: Active Members Joined: 13th Feb, 2007 Topic: 79 Post: 776 Age:
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| Posted on:1st Aug 2007, 11:14pm |
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Re: My Reply As earlier you were talking in behalf of all doctors and were presenting their point of view regarding providing cure to the patients. but I am happy to see some change in your thinking regarding this particualr issue and now you are keeping yourself aside from other doctors.
Thanks for not performing it for my sake. (although your conscious should be more important).
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faisee |
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| Posted on:2nd Aug 2007, 1:02pm |
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Re: khan_80 Dr Khan_80, Kali Zuban : any comments from your side. thanks
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Kali Zuban |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 1:36am |
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larkio ke sath na-insafi nahi karo aik larki se os ke boy friend ne sex kia. larki aur oska boyfriend dono
gunahgar hai. lekin yeh kia insaf hai keh larki ko sab mil kar zaleel
kare aur shadi ki rat os ka shohar bhi shor machai keh blood kio nahi
aya.
doosri taraf os ka boy friend itmenan se jis se chahe shadi kar le
aur koi os se hisab lene wala nahi hai keh tum virgin ho ya nahi.
qanoon sab ke lia barabar hona chahia. yeh nahi keh larki ko zalil hone
de aur larka ko chor de. yeh sarasar larkio ke sath na-insafi hai.
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faisee |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 2:37am |
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Re: Kali Zuban If you are comparing the responsiblity in this way, then you will argument that why only girls have to bear the labor pain and pregnancy hassle. boys should also have to bear that equally. otherwise "yeh sarasar larkio ke sath na-insafi hai." |
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Kali Zuban |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 8:34am |
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re: faisee labour pain bardasht karna aur zalil hone mai zamin asman ka farq hai. ap yeh
kahna chahte hai keh chukeh aurat ko labour pain hota hai is lia ose zalil kia
jai keh tum aik badkar aurat ho. aur chukeh mard ko labour pain nahi hota is lia
mard kuch bhi kare woh badkar nahi kahlai ga. aur wo zalil hone ka haq nahi
rakhta.
Allah Tala ne badkari mai dono ko barabar samjha hai isi lia
badkari ki soorat mai dono ko aik jaisi saza hai. aisa nahi hai keh aurat ko
mard se ziadah saza di gai hai. tu kia ap log God se bhi bare hai keh badkari ki
soorat mai aurat ko zalil aur ruswa kare jabkeh mard se kuch bhi na poocha
jai.
jab mard ki shadi ke waqt aurat ko yeh poochne aur janne ka haq nahi ke mard
ne ketni dafa badkari ki hai tu mard ko bhi yeh haq nahi ke wo aurat se suhag
rat ko hisab le ke os ne kis kis se badkari ki. is lia aurt ko haq hai keh woh
apne ruptured hymen ko repair karai. mai tu kahti hoo keh hymen repairing ki
cost kam hone chahia takeh ghareeb larki bhi hymen repairing kara sake. kio keh
ghareeb larki bechari tu hymen repairing bhi nahi kara sakti.
agar mard sex kar ke azad ghoom sakta hai aur koi ose poochne wala nahi tu
mai yahi kahoo gi keh sarkari hospital mai hymen repairing ka intezam hona
chahia takeh ghareeb larki bhi apna hymen repair kara kar mardo ki tarah shan se
ghoome
Faisee sahib mazhab ke reference so jo bhi bat karni hai kare lekin yeh khial
rahe keh badkari ki saza mard aur aurat dono ko aik jaisi hai. lehaza ap sirf
mard ban kar na soche kabhi aurat ban kar bhi soche. aurat ko zalil karne aur saza dene ke lia mazhab ka sahara na le.
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faisee |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 12:28pm |
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Re: Kali Zuban main nai yahan sab batain aurat ko zalil karnay kai liye nahin balkay aurat ko ziallat sai bachanay kai liye kee hain. jab hymen ruputure ka dar khatam ho jayega aur sarkari hospitals main kam kharchay per ilaj honay lagay ga tu aap khud idea laga lain kai aaj jo aurtain shadi sai pehlay sex sai bachee hueh hain woh bhi karnay lagay gi.
aurat ko zalil karnay sai murad agar shohar ka suhag raat ko bivi ki virginity check karna hai tu aap khud samajhtee hain kai first of all koi mard chahta hai kai us ki bivi kanwari ho aur us ko zalil karnay ka shoq nahin ho ga. aur aap baar baar aik hi point keh rahee hain kai mard shaan sai ghoomta hai tu main un mardon ki himayat nahin kar raha, woh mard muashray ki aik aisee gandagi hai jo kai nazar nahin atee laikin ganda kartee hai. laikin larkian tu sab jantay hue bhi usi gandagi sai apnay aap ko nahin bachateen.
aap ki baat theek hai badkari ki saza barabar hai aur aik riwayat kai mutabiq us saza kai milnay sai hi woh gunahgar paak ho ga, otherwise aakhirat ka mamla tu Allah behter janta hai.
aur yeh ilaj itna expensive hai kai aaj kal jo larkian karwa rahee hain wahi is gunah main shayed ziada involved hain. agar aap is cheez ko promote karain gai tu phir aap illegal sex ko promote kar rahee hain. agar aik insan gunah kar raha hai tu yeh matlab nahin kai doosray insan ko bhi aap woh sari opportunities dain kai woh gunah kar kai dhoka denay kai liye dubara virgin ho jaye. yeh tu gunah ki encouragement hai. aur aap dekhain kai aik larki hi larkay sai sex kartee hai. aaj agar koi larki is khof sai mana kartee hai sex karnay ko tu aik larka bhi sex nahin kar sakta aur agar karnay ka buhut hi shoq ho ga tu kisi prostitute sai karay ga. agar woh virgin larki is hope per ijazat dena start kar dai kai repair ho jaye ga tu phir aap sochain kai yeh sex kitna barh jaye ga.
beharhaal jo main keh raha hoon woh niyat bhi Allah janta hai aur jo aap keh rahee hain woh bhi. aur woh jo yeh gunah kar rahay hain un ko bhi.
aap basad shoq logon ko khuli ijazat dai den sex karain and then phir 10 Rs ki parchi per repair karwaen, because qayamat ki nishanion main yeh hai kai woh waqat ana hi hai.
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faisee |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 12:37pm |
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Re: in favor laikin main is repairing ki aik case main himayat zaroor karta hoon aur woh hai zana-bil-jabar. rape case sabit honay kai baad larki ko is baat ki facility milnee chahiye kai woh repair karwa lai balkay govt ko apnay kharchay per us ka jitna mumkin ho ilaj karwana chahiye.
aur regarding cure, its not a cure but a type of luxury which is known as "plastic surgery".
Baqi yeh operation karnay walay janain aur karwanay walay, ham paraye phadday main ab taang nahin arain gai. Allah Hafiz
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Kali Zuban |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 12:52pm |
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rape wali larki ko bhi dhoka dene ka haq nahi agar yeh kaha jai keh hymen repairing ka matlab shohar ko dhoka dena hai tu phir zana-bil-jabar wali larki ko bhi koi haq nahi hai keh woh shohar ko dhoka de. aur agar bata kar shadi kar rahi hai tu phir hymen repairing ki zaroorat hi nahi.
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Ugly-Sana |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 1:06pm |
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 larkio ke sath na-insafi nahi karo
Hi Kali Zuban:
I agree with you comments. Girl is not the only one to blame that she had sexual relationships with someone before her marriage.
But my point to be noted: Even every teenager knows that if girl have sex, she losses her virginity and it can be found by her husband because her hymen gets rupture. On the other side, everybody knows that if a boy have sex with a girl, there is no way to find out if the boy is virgin or not.
If everybody know that especially girls, why do they commit mistakes all the time. They know they wil loose their viriginity then why get so scared that what will happened if their husband will find out.
Why they give up their everything to the boys for them just te have fun and for girls it becomes a lifetime Embarrasement and guilt.
Kyon larkiyaan humesha apney app ko larkoon ke agey itna kamzoor kar deti hain ke, na sirf larkey un ki kamzoori ka fayida uthatey hein bulkay, unhien iss bat ki bhi parwah nahi hoti ke, uss larki ka baad mein kya ho ga.
Akhir larkiyaan, bhi apni apni waqti excitement ke liey larkoon ko yeh moqa kyon deti hain ke, woh unhien neecha dikha saken,
Merey khayal se iss baat ka pura right eik larki ke paas hota hai ke woh apni dignity kaisey kayem rakh sakti hai. Kyon ke baad mein larkoon ko blame karney se kuchh nahi hota, as it does not make any difference on them. Plus, once they loose their virginity, it can never ever be taken back.
Everybody have their own decisions and thinkings, However, I suggest that girls should be more responsible for their actions and make more strong decisions for themselves rather then just doing what they feel is good and pleasureable at that moment.
I really feel sorry for all the girls who have become weaken and let themselves down in boys' eyes. I wish best of luck, to all the girls who have suffered through these kind of relationships, but if they ask Allah's forgiveness, he is always there to forgive his people. |
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faisee |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 1:21pm |
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Re: Kali zuban and Sana Kali Zuban: aap ki baat theek hai laikin shayed first time shadi karnay walon ko virgin larki sai sex ki khawahish hotee hai, because rape wali larki tu beqasoor hai, so sach baat bata tu dai(if she want because is main us ka koi qusoor nahin tha, as per situation) laikin normal virgin feelings kai liye us larki ko yeh haq hasil ho sakta hai.
Sana: I agree with you, nice points mentioned. actually girls supposed to be more responsible in our society and they have to be. isi main woh martaba aur muqam hai jo kai insan nai aik aurat ko maan, behan, beti aur bivi ki shakal main dia hai.
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Kali Zuban |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 1:31pm |
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re: sana & faisee mai ne kabhi yeh nahi kaha keh larki beqasoor hai. mai tu sirf yeh kahti hoo keh wajah jo bhi ho, ab ghalti tu ho gai. ab kia kia jai. kia larki zalil ho aur larka ko kuch na ho. mera kahna hai keh agar larka ko kuch na ho tu phir larki ko bhi kuch na ho. yeh sara sar na insafi hai keh aik hi ghalti par kisi ka kuch na ho aur doosra zalil ho.
ap logo ne jo kuch kaha yeh ghalti ko rokne wali bat hai. lekin ghalti ke bad batai ke kis ko saza milni chahia aur kis ko nahi. God ne dono ki saza aik rakhi hai. ham kio aik ko saza de aur doosre ko chor de.
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Kali Zuban |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 1:40pm |
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re: sana khair faisee tu hamara bhi pasandeeda member hai. kuch logo ke dam se yeh forum chal raha hai jis mai faisee bhi shamil hai. jawab dena tu karnama hai lekin sawal karna os se bara karnama hai. sawal hoga tu jawab aye ga. faisee ke andar sawal banane ki zabardast salahiat hai.
lekin mujhe faisee se hamdardi bhi hai. bechare ne hymen par kafi maloomat hasil ki thi lekin kuch batai ab pata chali. ab tu ose bleeding par bhi shak hoga. jab keh ham ne hamesha kaha keh agar bleeding na ho tab bhi shak nahi karna chahia. kio ke bleeding na hone ki kai wajoohat hoti hai. aur bleeding na hone wali larki bhi virgin ho sakti hai. ab nai maloomat se tu bleeding wali larki bhi mashkook ho gai.
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faisee |
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| Posted on:3rd Aug 2007, 1:58pm |
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Re: sana and Kali zuban Thanks for both of your comments. I feel proud of these compliments specially because Kali zuban kisi ki tareef kam hi kartee hain.
Sana: we welcome you on this forum and hope you will give your opinion on all topics needed attention/comments of mature/intelligent girls.
Kali zuban: there is nothing to be worry about. we should just have faith on almighty Allah, woh sab behter janta hai aur behter karnay wala hai.
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Bewaqoof |
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| Posted on:23rd Jan 2008, 3:23pm |
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re: hymen repair faisee sahib hymen repair wala add ab iss forum per nazar nahi aaraha hai. iss
ka matlab hai keh forum se yeh add hata lia gia hai. aap ko os add per etraz
tha. ab aap ko khoosh ho jaana chahiye |
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Ugly-Sana |
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| Posted on:1st Apr 2009, 2:43am |
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Hey EveryoNe..Sana is Back Sorry i Posted tHis Message here........it's just to remind everyOne.. aboUt me.. iF they forgot:)........Hey.. Guys... M back.. after such a Longggggggggggg Time...
So much has been changed..... Are my old friends still there.??
Josh, Faisee, BeautyStar, Don, aur baqi sab bhi... i forgot the names too...sorry for that........but i Missed u Guyz....
It's nice to be back... I Look forward to hear from you guys. Take care. Allah Hafiz. |
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aliakbar17 |
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| Posted on:7th Jul 2010, 9:35am |
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fascist dictator forum authoritarian thinking in religion has destroyed it
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Bewaqoof |
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| Posted on:7th Jul 2010, 12:34pm |
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hymenoplasty re: "authoritarian thinking in religion has destroyed it
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aliakbar17: aap ki baat samajh nahi aaye. zara clear ker ke phir se likhe.
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